it seems to me that's the big, big issue that people in the civil rightss3 movement, including myself and my organization, haven't paid as much attention to. >> yep. >> if you go into any place, i don't care if you're in austin or albuquerque; black people live over here, hispanic people live over here, white people live over here, asians, whomever live over here. >> yeah. >> and as long as that's true, we're not a perfect &->> but what if those groups are self-selecting? >> if they're self-selecting, that's okay. >> yeah. >> and some of them are. >> but in many communities, it is a forced deal. >> yeah. >> and it is a deal that real estate people have connived to make happen. >> right. >> and they need to be punished because it's against the law. >> right. what other areas beside housing discrimination would you say we still have a significant amount of work to do? >> well, i think the level of education our children receive is radically different. >> mm-hmm. >> these children over here.-3 and again, it's tied up to segregated schools.. >> yeah. >> .segregated housing. these children